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 Post subject: Allies lists for WOTR
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:03 am 
Kinsman
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Hello all,

In an attempt to create a more "historical" game of WOTR, my group has adopted the Legions of Middle Earth allies lists for our games. With this directive, I have made the following list of armies for WOTR and the units that can be used by them. Each army states the ages in which it can be used, the units and characters that make up the army, and the page number where you will find the unit/character's statistics in the WOTR book.

With regards to ages, all armies are listed with dates, so one that is 2nd age cannot be used against a 3rd age, and vice versa. Along with this, some units/character are listed with their appropriate dates. In most cases the dates provided for the army list will suffuce for all types, but a few can only be used in certain ages and these have been labelled E (early), M (Middle), L (Late) and 2 (2nd Age) or 3 (3rd Age).
Please also note, that there are a few units that have no dates and are given ???

In addition a few units have no ratings, such as elf chariots. Maybe someone can direct me to the issues of WD where these appeared.

I added two new factions: Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram - I'd like imput on these and their allies

I would also like to get opinions on the Corsairs, as they can ally with many nations that are nowhere near the sea (like Angmar and Moria) I think this is wrong.

I hope this is helpful to you in your games. I welcome feedback.

Brian

NATIONALITIES/ARMIES

GOOD
1. The Fellowship
2. North Kingdom
a. Arnor
b. Grey Company
c. Shire
3. Elven Havens
a. Rivendell
b. Grey Havens
c. Eregion
4. Woodland Realms
a. Lothlorien
b. Thranduil's halls
c. Fangorn
5. Rohan
a. Riders of Eorl
b. Host of Hammerhand
c. Theoden's Host
6. Gondor
a. Tower of Ecthelion
b. Minas Tirith
c. The Fiefdoms
d. Army of the High King
e. Rangers of Ithilien
f. Dead Men of Dunharrow
7. Dwarf Holds
a. Durin's Folk
b. Khazad Dum
c. Erebor
8. Eagles
9. Wizards
10. Guardians of the Carrock
11. Wild Men of Druadon
12. Wanderers in the Wild

EVIL
1. Misty Mountains
a. Moria
b. Mount Gundabad
c. Mount Gram
d. Angmar
e. Dwellers Below
2. Isengard
a. Isengard Raiders
b. Legions of the White hand
c. Dunland
d. Sharkey's Rogues
3. Bastions of the Dark Lord
a. Cirith Ungol
b. Black Gate
c. Dol Guldur
d. Minas Morgul
e. Barad Dur
4. Eastern Realms
a. Easterlings
b. Variags of Khand
c. Khandish Mercenaries
5. Southlands
a. Serpent Horde
b. Harad
c. Far Harad
d. Corsair Fleets
e. Umbar
6. Monsters
7. Nazgul

GOOD

The Fellowship
The Fellowship - late 3rd Age
Fellowship of the Ring - p.146
The Three Hunters - p.144

allies - Grey Company, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, Minas Tirith, The Fiefdoms, Rangers of Ithilien, Dead Men of Dunharrow, Durin's folk, Erebor, Wild Men of Druadan, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles, Guardians of the Carrock

North Kingdom
Arnor - early to middle 3rd Age
Warriors of Arnor - p.96
Rangers of Arnor - p.96
Dunedain of Arnor - p.101
Royal Guard of Arnor - p.102
Hobbit Militia - p.142
Hobbit Archers - p.142

allies - Rivendell, Grey Havens, Minas Tirith, Khazad Dum

Grey Company - middle to late 3rd Age
Grey Company - p.102
Rangers of Arnor - p.96
Dunedain of Arnor - p.101
Aragorn - p.104
Elladan - p.128
Elrohir - p.128

allies - The Fellowship, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, The Fiefdoms, Rangers of Ithilien, Dead Men of Dunharrow, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles, Guardians of the Carrock

The Shire - middle to late 3rd Age
Hobbit Militia (M3 or L3) - p.142
Hobbit Archers (M3 or L3) - p.142
Bandobras Took (M3) - (no stats)
Peregin Took (L3) - p.104
Meriadoc (L3) - p.114
Samwise (L3) - (no stats)
Frodo (L3) - (no stats)
Farmer Maggot (L3) - (no stats)
Paladin Took (L3) - (no stats)
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins (L3) - (no stats)
Fredegar Bolger (L3) - (no stats)
Aragorn (L3) - p.104
Dunedain of Arnor (M3 or L3) - p.101
Gandalf the Grey/White (M3 or L3)- p.150

allies - May not ally

Elven Havens
Rivendell - 3rd Age
Elrond - p.126
Glorfingdale - p.124
Elladan - p.128
Elrohir - p.128
Arwen - p.127
Rivendell Guard - p.123
High Elf Cohort - p.122
High Elf Regiment - p.121
High Elf Archer - p.121

allies - The Fellowship, Arnor, Grey Company, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Minas Tirith, Durin's Folk, Erebor, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles, Guardians of the Carrock

Grey Havens - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Cirdan - p.127
High Elf Cohort - p.122
High Elf Regiment - p.121
High Elf Archer - p.121
High Elf Knight - (no stats)
High Elf Ranger - (no stats)
High Elf Guardians - (no stats)

allies - The Fellowship, Arnor, Grey Company, Rivendell, Eregion, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Minas Tirith, Army of the High King, Durin's Folk, Khazad Dum, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Eregion - middle to late 2nd Age
Elrond - p.126
Gil-Galad - p.127
Rivendell Guard - p.123
High Elf Cohort - p.122
High Elf Regiment - p.121
High Elf Archer - p.121
High Elf Chariot - (no stats)
High Elf Knight - (no stats)
High Elf Ranger - (no stats)
High Elf Catapult - (no stats)

allies - Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Army of the High King, Durin's Folk

Woodland Realms
Lothlorien - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Galadriel - p.125
Galadriel (Protectress) - p.125
Celeborn - p.125
Haldir - p.128
Galadhrim Regiment - p.120
Galadhrim Archers - p.120
Wood Elf Warband - p.121
Galadrhim Knight - p.122
Guards of the Galadhrim Court - p.123
Guardians of Caras Galdahon - p.124
Haldir's Elves - p.124
Galadhrim Pathwalker - (possibly a Stormcaller?)
Galadhrim Siege catapult - (no stats)

allies - Khazad Dum, Eregion, The Fellowship, Fangorn, Grey Company, Grey Havens, Rivendell, Thranduil's Halls, Host of Hammerhand, Theoden's Host, Minas Tirith, Army of the High King, Durin's Folk, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Thranduil's Halls - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Thranduil - p.126
Legolas (E3 to L3) - p.126
Wood Elf Warband - p.121
Wod Elf Sentinel - p.122

allies - Grey Company, The Fellowship, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlorien, Fangorn, Riders of Eorl, Rangers of Ithilien, Army of the High King, Erebor, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles, Guardians of the Carrock

Fangorn - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Treebeard - p.143
Quickbeam - p.144
Beechbone - p.144
Ent - p.133
Hourn - (no stats)

allies - Grey Company, Grey havens, Eregion, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Theoden's Host, Minas Tirith, Army of the High King, Khazad Dum, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Rohan
Riders of Eorl - middle 3rd Age
Eorl the Young - p.115
Rider of Rohan - p.110
Rohan Royal Guard (mounted) - Use Royal Guard p.111, change to 10" move. Still 35 points per company
Rohan Outrider - p.111

allies - Thranduil's Halls, Minas Tirith

Host of Hammerhand - middle to late 3rd Age
Helm Hammerhand - (no stats)
Rohan Outrider - p.111
Son of Eorl - p.112
Rider of Rohan - p.110
Helm's Guard (mounted) - Use Royal Guard p.111, change to 10" move. Still 35 points per company
Oathsworn Militia - p.110
Oathsword Bowmen - p.111

allies - Lothlorien, Minas Tirith, Durin's Folk

Theoden's Host - late 3rd Age
Theoden - p.114
Eomer - p.115
Eowyn - p.115
Erkenbrand - p.116
Theodred - p.116
Meriadoc - p.114
Deorwine - p.116
Rider of Rohan - p.110
Royal Knights - p.110
Oathsworn Militia - p.110
Oathsword Bowmen - p.111
Rohan Outrider - p.111
Rohan Royal Guard - p. 111
Son of Eorl - p.112
King's Guard (mounted or foot) - p.112
Erkenbrand's Riders - p.113
Theodred's Knights - p. 113
Grimbold Hemlingas - p.113
Elfhelm's Riders - p.114

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Lothlorien, Fangorn, Tower of Ecthelion, The Fiefdoms, Rangers of Ithilien, Dead Men of Dunharrow, Durin's Folk, Wild Men of Druadan, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Gondor
Tower of Ecthelion - late 3rd Age
Aragron - p.104
Boromir - p.103
Faramir - p.104
Peregrin, Guard of the Citadel - p.104
Minas Tirith Warriors - p.94
Minas Tirith Knights - p.94
Citadel Guards - p. 96
Guard of the Fountain Court - p.98
Avenger Bolt Thrower - p.98
Battlecry Trebuchet - p.98
Denethors Guard - p.100
Wardens of the Keys - p.103

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Theoden's Host, The Fiefdoms, Rangers of Ithilien, Dead Men of Dunharrow, Durin's Folk, Erebor, Wild Men of Druadan, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Minas Tirith - middle to late 3rd Age
King of Men - (no stats)
Minas Tirith Warriors - p.94
Minas Tirith Knights - p.94
Citadel Guards - p. 96
Guard of the Fountain Court - p.98
Battlecry Trebuchet - p.98
Ranger of Gondor - p.95

allies - The Fellowship, Arnor, Grey Havens, Fangorn, Rivendell, Lothlorien, Riders of Eorl, Host of Hammerhand, Erebor, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

The Fiefdoms - late 3rd Age
Prince Imrahil - p.105
Knight of Dol Amroth - p.97
Men-at-arms of Dol Amroth - p.97
Foot Knights of Dol Amroth - p.97
Axemen of Lossarnach - p.99
Clansmen of Lamedon - p. 100
Blackroot Vale Archers - p.103
Ranger of Gondor - p.95

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, Rangers of Ithilien, Dead Men of Dunharrow, Durin's Folk, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Army of the High King - middle to late 2nd Age
Elendil (L2) - p.105
Isildor (L2) - p.105
Numenorean Warriors - p.95
Numenorean Archers - p.95

allies - Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Durin's Folk

Rangers of Ithilien - late 3rd Age
Faramir - p.104
Osgiliath Veterans - p.101
Rangers of Ithilien - p.100
Minas Tirith Warriors - p.94
Minas Tirith Knights - p.94
Citadel Guards - p. 96
Rangers of Gondor - p.95

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Thranduil's Halls, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, The Fiefdoms, Erebor, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Dead men of Dunharrow - late 3rd Age
Court of the Dead King - p.101
Warriors of the Dead - p.99
Riders of the Dead - p.99

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, The Fiefdoms, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards

The Dwarf Holds
Durin's Folk - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Dwarf King - (no stats)
Dwarf Warrior Kinbad - p.132
Dwarf Archer Kinbad - p.132
Khazad Guard - p.133
Ballista - p.134
Ered Luin Rangers - p.135
King's Champion - p.135

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Eregion, Lothlorien, Host of Hammerhand, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, The Fiefdoms, Army of the High King, Wanderers of the Wild, Wizards, Eagles, Guardians of the Carrock

Khazad-Dum - 2nd to middle 3rd Age
Durin's Guard - p.136
Dwarf Warrior Kinbad - p.132
Dwarf Archer Kinbad - p.132
Khazad Guard - p.133
Iron Guard - p.133
Iron Guard Ancients - p.135
Dwarf Ranger - p.133
Vault Warden - p.134
Ballista - p.134
King's Champion - p.135

allies - Arnor, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Fangorn

Erebor - late 3rd Age
Dain - p.138
Gimli - p.138
Balin - p.137
Floi Stonehand - p.137
Moria Expeditionaries - p.134
Dwarf Warrior Kinbad - p.132
Dwarf Archer Kinbad - p.132
Khazad Guard - p.133
Iron Guard - p.133
Iron Guard Ancients - p.135
Vault Warden - p.134
Dwarf Ranger - p.133
Ballista - p.134
King's Champion - p.135

allies - The Fellowship, Rivendell, Thranduil's Halls, Tower of Ecthelion, Minas Tirith, Rangers of Ecthelion, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles, Guardians of the Carrock

Eagles
Eagles - middle to late 3rd Age
Gwaihir - p.145
Great Eagle - p.143

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, Minas Tirith, Rangers of Ithilien, The Fiefdoms, Durin's Folk, Erebor, Wizards, Guardians of the Carrock

Wizards
Wizards - middle to late 3rd Age
Saruman the White - p.149
Gandalf the Grey - p.150
Radagast the Brown - p.150
The White Council - p.147
Council of Wizardry - p.148

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, Minas Tirith, Rangers of Ithilien, The Fiefdoms, Dead men of Dunharrow, Wild men of Druadan, Durin's Folk, Erebor, Wizards, Wanderers in the Wild, Guardians of the Carrock

Guardians of the Carrock
Beorings - middle to late 3rd Age
Wardens of the Carrock - p.148

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Rivendell, Thranduil's Halls, Durin's Folk, Erebor, Wanderers in the Wild, Wizards, Eagles

Wild Men of Druadon
Wild men - late 3rd Age
Woses Warband - p.149

allies - The Fellowship, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, Wizards

Wanderers in the Wild
Wanderers - see description
Gildor's Household (M3 or L3) - p.123
Glorfingdale (2nd and 3rd Ages) - p.124
Murin's Guard (L3) - p.136
Drar's Hunters (L3) - p.136
Bilbo (L3) - (no stats)
Tom Bombadil (only available in Old Forest) - p.145

allies - The Fellowship, Grey Company, Rivendell, Grey Havens, Lothlorien, Thranduil's Halls, Fangorn, Theoden's Host, Tower of Ecthelion, Minas Tirith, Rangers of Ithilien, The Fiefdoms, Dead men of Dunharrow, Durin's Folk, Erebor, Wizards, Guardians of the Carrock

EVIL

The Misty Mountains
Moria - middle to late 3rd Age
Durburz (L3) - p.188
Moria Goblin Warband - p.182
Moria Prowler Warband - p.183
Cave Troll - pg.184
Cloud of Bats - p.183

allies - Angmar, Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram, Dunland, Isengard Raiders, Dol Guldur, Barad-dur, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Monsters, Nazgul

Mount Gundabad - middle to late 3rd Age
Bolg (L3) - (no stats)
Bolg's Bodyguard (L3) - (no stats)
Moria Goblin Warband - p.182
Gundabad Blackshields - p.185
Cave Troll - pg.184
Cloud of Bats - p.183

allies - Angmar, Moria, Mount Gram, Dunland, Isengard Raiders, Dol Guldur, Barad-dur, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Monsters, Nazgul

Mount Gram - middle to late 3rd Age
Golfimbul (M3) - (no stats)
Angmar Orcs - p.209
Warg Rider Warband - p.155

allies - Angmar, Moria, Mount Gundabad, Dunland, Isengard Raiders, Dol Guldur, Barad-dur, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Monsters, Nazgul

Angmar - early to middle 3rd Age
Witch King - p.162 or p.163
Dwimmerlaik - p.162 or p.163
The Tainted - p.162 or p.163
Rogash (E3) - use Buhrdur p.210
Buhrdur (M3) - p.210
Gulavhar - p.211
Shade - p.210
Werewolf pack - p.210
Court of Fallen Kings - p.209
Spectral Host - p.208
Ghost Legions - p.208
Ghostly Riders - p.208
Angmar Orcs - p.209
Cave Troll - p.184
Carn Dum Warband - p.209

allies - Moria, Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram, Dwellers Below, Dunland, Barad-dur, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Monsters, Nazgul

The Dwelers Below - late 2nd through 3rd Age
Durzhag (L3) - p.188
Moria Goblin Warband - p.182
Warg Pack - p.182
Giant Spider - p.183
Spider Queen - p.184
Cave Troll - p.184
Spider Swarm - p.185

allies - Angmar, Dunland, The Black Gate, Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Serpent Horde, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Variags of Khand, Monsters, Nazgul

Isengard
Isengard Raiders - late 3rd Age
Lurtz - p.178
Ugluk's Raiders - p.176
Vrashku's Talons - p.176
Sharku's Hunters - p.177
Mahur's Marauders - p.177
War Rider Warband - p.172
Feral Uruk Hai - p.171
Uruk Hai Scouts - p.170

allies - Moria, Legions of the White Hand, Dunland, Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Nazgul

Legions of the White Hand - late 3rd Age
Saruman - p.178
Grima - p.178
Uruk Hai Phalanx - p.170
Uruk Hai Warband - p.170
Isengard Orc Warband - p.171
Uruk Hai Scouts - p.170
Uruk Hai Sappers - p.171
Uruk Hai Bezerker Warband - p.173
Isengard Troll - p.173
Isengard Troll Captain - p.174
Isengard Battering Ram - p.174
Isengard Ballista - p.175

allies - Isengard Raiders, Dunland, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Nazgul

Dunland - middle to late 3rd Age
Thryden Wolfsbane (L3) - p.177
Wildmen of Dunland - p.172
Dunlending Huscarl - p.172
Dunlend Bezerker - (no stats)
Dunlend Horsemen - p.175

allies - Angmar, The Dwellers Below, Isengard Raiders, Legions of the White Hand, Khandish Mercenaries, Corsair Fleets, Nazgul

Sharkey's Rogues - late 3rd Age
Sharkey - (no stats)
Worm - (no stats)
Bill Ferny - (no stats)
Wildmen of Dunland - p.172
Ruffian - p.173
Isengard Orc Warband - p.171
Warg Pack - p.182

allies - may not ally

Bastions of the Dark Lord
Cirith Ungol - middle to late 3rd Age
Shagrat's Tower Guard (L3) - p.158
Gorbag's Morgul Rats (L3) - p.159
Shelob - p.159
Mordor Orc Warband - p.154
Mordor Uruk Hai Warband - p.155
Orc Tracker Warband - p.154
Warg Rider Warband - p.155
Mordor Troll - p.156
Mordor Troll Drummer - p.156
Mordor Troll Chieftain - p.156
War Catapult - p.157
Siege Bow - p.158
Mordor Battering Ram - p.158

allies - The Black Gate, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Harad, Monsters, Nazgul

The Black Gate - middle to late 3rd Age
Mouth of Sauron - p.164
Morannon Orc Warband - p.154
Mordor Uruk Hai Warband - p.155
Orc Tracker Warband - p.154
Mordor Troll - p.156
Mordor Troll Drummer - p.156
Mordor Troll Chieftain - p.156
War Catapult - p.157
Mordor Battering Ram - p.158

allies - The Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Monsters, Nazgul

Dol Guldur - 3rd Age
The Necromancer - p.160
Mordor Orc Warband - p.154
Castellan of Dol Guldur - p.159
Warg Pack - p.182
Giant Spider - p.183
Spider Queen - p.184
Spider Swarm - p.185
Mordor Troll - p.156
Mordor Troll Drummer - p.156
Mordor Troll Chieftain - p.156
Cloud of Bats - p.183
Werewolf pack - p.210
War Catapult - p.157
Mordor Battering Ram - p.158
Black Hearted Tree - (no stats)

allies - Moria, Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram, The Dwellers Below, Isengard Raiders, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Monsters, Nazgul

Minas Morgul - middle to late 3rd Age
Witch King - p.162 or p.163
Gothmog (L3) - p.164
Grishnakh's Trackers (L3) - p.160
Mordor Orc Warband - p.154
Spectral Host - p.208
Morgul Stalker - p.155
Black Numenorean Regiment - p.197
Morgul Knight Regiment - p.197
Orc Tracker Warband - p.154
War Catapult - p.157
Mordor Battering Ram - p.158

allies - The Dwellers Below, Isengard Raiders, Cirith Ungol, The Black Gate, Dol Guldur, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

Barad-Dur - middle 2nd to late 3rd Age
Sauron - (M2 or L2) p.165
Mouth of Sauron - p.164
Kardush - p.164
Black Guard of Barad-dur - p.157
Mordor Orc Warband - p.154
Morannon Orc Warband - p.154
Orc Tracker Warband - p.154
Warg Rider Warband - p.155
War Catapult - p.157
Siege Bow - p.158
Mordor Battering Ram - p.158
Gollum - p.165

allies - Angmar, Moria, Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram, The Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, The Black Gate, Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

Eastern Realms
The Easterlings - middle to late 3rd Age
Khamul the Easterling - p.162 or p.163
Amdur (L3) - p.201
Easterling Cohort - p.194
Easterling Archer Cohort - p.195
Easterling Kataphrakt Cohort - p.195
Dragon Guard - (no stats)
Siege Bow - use Mordor Siege Bow p.158

allies - Cirith Ungol, Dol Guldur, Barad-dur, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Minas Morgul, The Black Gate, The Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Monsters, Nazgul

Variags of Khand - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Keiseimu, Ravager of Ithilien (???) - (no stats)
Khandish King - (no stats)
Khandish Mercenary Warband - p.194
Khandish Mercenary Raiders - p.194
Khandish Charioteer - p.198

allies - Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, The Black Gate, Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Khandish Mercenaries, The Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

Khandish Mercenaries - 2nd and 3rd Ages
Khandish Mercenary Warband - p.194
Khandish Mercenary Raiders - p.194

allies - Khandish Mercenaries can ally with all evil armies

Southlands
The Serpent Horde - late 3rd Age
Suludan (L3) - p.200
Haradrim Warband - p.192
Haradrim Raider Warband - p.192
Watcher of Karna - p.195
Serpent Guard - p.193
Serpent Rider Warband - p.193
War Mumak of Harad - p.198

allies - Dwellers Below, The Black Gate, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Harad, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

Harad - late 2nd through 3rd Ages
The Betrayer - p.162 or p.163
King of Harad - (no stats)
Abrakhan Guard - p.200
Haradrim Warband - p.192
Haradrim Raider Warband - p.192
Watcher of Karna - p.195

allies - Cirith Ungol, The Black Gate, Barad-dur, Minas Morgul, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

Far Harad - late 2nd through 3rd Ages
Mahud King - (no stats)
Mahud Warband - p.196
Mahud Raider Warband - p.196
Half Troll Warband - p.196
War Mumak of Harad - p.198

allies - The Black Gate, Barad-dur, Minas Morgul, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

The Corsair Fleets - late 2nd through 3rd Ages
Dalamyr (L3) - p.200
Corsair Raiding Party - p.193
Corsair Arbalesters - p.197
Corsair Reaver - (no stats)
Corsair Ballista - use Mordor Siege Bow p.158

allies - Moria, Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram, Dwellers Below, Angmar, Barad-dur, Minas Morgul, Legions of the White Hand, Isengard Raiders, Dunland, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Umbar, Monsters, Nazgul

Umbar - late 2nd through 3rd Ages
Queen Beruthiel (E3) - p.201
Knight of Umbar - p.162 or p.163
Haradrim Warband - p.192
Corsair Raiding Party - p.193

allies - Barad-dur, Minas Morgul, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Monsters, Nazgul

Monsters
Monsters of Middle Earth - see description
Balrog of Morgoth (1st Age, but one surviving in late 3rd Age: Balrog of Moria) - p.187
Dragon of Ancient Times (1st age, but one surviving in late 3rd Age: Smaug) - p.186
Cave Drake (???) - p.185
Stone Giant (???) - p.184

allies - Angmar, Moria, Mount Gundabad, Mount Gram, The Dwellers Below, Cirith Ungol, The Black Gate, Dol Guldur, Minas Morgul, Barad-dur, Easterlings, Variags of Khand, Khandish Mercenaries, Serpent Horde, Harad, Far Harad, Corsair Fleets, Umbar, Nazgul

Nazgul
Nazgul - late 2nd through 3rd Age
Witch King - p.162 or p.163
Khamul - p.162 or p.163
Tainted - p.162 or p.163
Undying - p.162 or p.163
Dark Marshal - p.162 or p.163
Shadow Lord - p.162 or p.163
Dwimmerlaik - p.162 or p.163
Betrayer - p.162 or p.163
Knight of Umbar - p.162 or p.163
The Nine - p.161
Twilight Ringwraiths - p.161

allies - may ally with all evil armies except Sharkey's Rogues


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Wow, what a work! Looks very good, but I think Nazgul shouldn't ally with Isengard, as Saruman and Sauron are rivals in the hunt for the Ring, and Saruman actively hinders the Nazgul.

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Sauron sent a Nazgul to Isengard when he saw Pippin in the Palantir, it's not that unrealistic for a Nazgul to ally with Saruman. Saruman thought he was a rival, but he was just a puppet since the time he first looked in his Palantir.

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Thanks for this! It should be a good guide to making themed armies in the least. :yay:

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I modified the list to reflect specific dates when units and characters can be used.

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Great stuff Brian! My gaming group will love this and we'll be sure to get on board.
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Sauron sent a Nazgul to Isengard when he saw Pippin in the Palantir, it's not that unrealistic for a Nazgul to ally with Saruman. Saruman thought he was a rival, but he was just a puppet since the time he first looked in his Palantir.


Because he thought Saruman had betrayed him. And even if Saruman only really was a puppet, he thinks he's a rival, and as such tries his best to hinder the Nine. Also, I don't think everyone should be able to have OP Nazgul to cherrypick. But on the other hand, one can always just not use the option. Hm, maybe you should keep them...

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In the case of the Nazgul, they should be able to ally with Isengard Scouts, but not the Legion of the White Hand. Also, the only reason they could ally with Dunland in SBG was as they were used as Carn Dum Barbarians, and Dunalnd could alos ally with Angmar and Dwellers.

Black Guards should be in more lists. In LoME they were alos in Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate and Dol Guldor.

Druzhag also aught to be in Dwellers as well, as he suits that list better than Moria, and as with the above, was allowed in LoME.

The Mahud and Khandish kings do have rules. The Mahud one is battlehost-only hero, and the Khand one is an upgrade for Khandish Charioteers.

Umbar also need the Betrayer (he and the KoU are a duo), Haradrim Raiders and Black Numenoreans.

Sharky and Worm also have stats - Saruman and Grima!

Blackshields ought to be in Dwellers Below too, as they're from Gundabad not Moria.

Tom Bombadil should not be in the Wizards list.

In case you haven't notice (in which case read the description) Dwarf Tunnel Fighting Team and Vault Wardens are the same thing.

A Galadhrim Pathwalker is not a Stormcaller.

Also, GW fluff concerning Burhdur includes that he killed arathorn and was killed by Aragorn, so he needs to be in the 3rd Age.

Very good work however, well done killerkatanas :yay:

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Black Guards should be in more lists. In LoME they were alos in Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate and Dol Guldor.

Druzhag also aught to be in Dwellers as well, as he suits that list better than Moria, and as with the above, was allowed in LoME.

The Mahud and Khandish kings do have rules. The Mahud one is battlehost-only hero, and the Khand one is an upgrade for Khandish Charioteers.

Umbar also need the Betrayer (he and the KoU are a duo), Haradrim Raiders and Black Numenoreans.

Sharky and Worm also have stats - Saruman and Grima!

Blackshields ought to be in Dwellers Below too, as they're from Gundabad not Moria.

Tom Bombadil should not be in the Wizards list.

In case you haven't notice (in which case read the description) Dwarf Tunnel Fighting Team and Vault Wardens are the same thing.

A Galadhrim Pathwalker is not a Stormcaller.

Also, GW fluff concerning Burhdur includes that he killed arathorn and was killed by Aragorn, so he needs to be in the 3rd Age.


Hello,

Thanks for the comments. Let me give you my thoughts.

I took the information from LOME, and it did not have any Black Guards listed in the book. I would think that the Guard of Barad-Dur, being that it is a special named unit for War of the Ring, should only be in the Barad-Dur list.

I agree on Druzhag.

The betrayer and the Knight of Umbar are used as a combo in the SBG? I don't play the SBG so I don't know. It makes sense that the Betrayer is Harad-based.

Blackshields - If the Dwellers list represents Gundabad, then I totally agree. However, I put these with Moria since I thought that the list represented all the Misty Mountain dwellings (Gundabag, Moria, Mount Gram), while the Dwellers list represented other places. Do you think this is the right interpretation?

Tom - I put him there because he is not in the LOME book (or did I miss him?). It would make sense for him to be in a Shire list, but I don't think it is appropriate to have the Hobbits using him as an ally. My next choice would be as a Wanderer in the Wild, but then I think that list allows him to ally with far too many types. It seemed to me that the Wizards list would be a good compromise.

Vault Warden Is a Tunnel fighting team? - ok, that makes sense.

Then what is a Pathwalker?

Burdur, I have him only available for the Middle third age, the time of the War between Angmar and Arnor.

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Black Guards should be in more lists. In LoME they were alos in Cirith Ungol, the Black Gate and Dol Guldor.

Druzhag also aught to be in Dwellers as well, as he suits that list better than Moria, and as with the above, was allowed in LoME.

The Mahud and Khandish kings do have rules. The Mahud one is battlehost-only hero, and the Khand one is an upgrade for Khandish Charioteers.

Umbar also need the Betrayer (he and the KoU are a duo), Haradrim Raiders and Black Numenoreans.

Sharky and Worm also have stats - Saruman and Grima!

Blackshields ought to be in Dwellers Below too, as they're from Gundabad not Moria.

Tom Bombadil should not be in the Wizards list.

In case you haven't notice (in which case read the description) Dwarf Tunnel Fighting Team and Vault Wardens are the same thing.

A Galadhrim Pathwalker is not a Stormcaller.

Also, GW fluff concerning Burhdur includes that he killed arathorn and was killed by Aragorn, so he needs to be in the 3rd Age.


Hello,

Thanks for the comments. Let me give you my thoughts.

I took the information from LOME, and it did not have any Black Guards listed in the book. I would think that the Guard of Barad-Dur, being that it is a special named unit for War of the Ring, should only be in the Barad-Dur list.

I agree on Druzhag.

The betrayer and the Knight of Umbar are used as a combo in the SBG? I don't play the SBG so I don't know. It makes sense that the Betrayer is Harad-based.

Blackshields - If the Dwellers list represents Gundabad, then I totally agree. However, I put these with Moria since I thought that the list represented all the Misty Mountain dwellings (Gundabag, Moria, Mount Gram), while the Dwellers list represented other places. Do you think this is the right interpretation?

Tom - I put him there because he is not in the LOME book (or did I miss him?). It would make sense for him to be in a Shire list, but I don't think it is appropriate to have the Hobbits using him as an ally. My next choice would be as a Wanderer in the Wild, but then I think that list allows him to ally with far too many types. It seemed to me that the Wizards list would be a good compromise.

Vault Warden Is a Tunnel fighting team? - ok, that makes sense.

Then what is a Pathwalker?

Burdur, I have him only available for the Middle third age, the time of the War between Angmar and Arnor.

Brian


Black Guards are;nt aspecial name unit. There are Mordor roll in Dol Guldor, Morannon Orcs in Barad-dur. Clcak Guard shoul be in Dol Guldor and at least 1 of the other Mordor lists. Their online SBG rules list them in all my aforementioned armies. Unless you feel strongly that they should be different.

The Betrayer and the Knight of Umbar are both Harad/Umbar Lords, to rule Harad one must rule from Umbar. They don't always get used as a duo.

The Dwellers list represennt the Wilds, the less civilsed places, in general Moria refer to Moria and only Moria, though Blackshields should still be in both lists, because they match the Moria Uruks description (Moria), and Bolg's Guard (Dwellers).

Bombadil should be in Wanderers. Though should have a special rule like the old SBG one that he cannot be userd on battles outside of the Old Forrest regardless.

Pathwalkers were a scrapped idea for a Warrior tipe, like an elite Ranger, but were dropped beforte they went into production, Stormcallers are basic magicians.

Buhrdur needs to be in late 3rd Age. Trolls do have long lifespans though, so he could be earlier as well.

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Black Guards are;nt aspecial name unit. There are Mordor roll in Dol Guldor, Morannon Orcs in Barad-dur. Clcak Guard shoul be in Dol Guldor and at least 1 of the other Mordor lists. Their online SBG rules list them in all my aforementioned armies. Unless you feel strongly that they should be different.

The Betrayer and the Knight of Umbar are both Harad/Umbar Lords, to rule Harad one must rule from Umbar. They don't always get used as a duo.

The Dwellers list represennt the Wilds, the less civilsed places, in general Moria refer to Moria and only Moria, though Blackshields should still be in both lists, because they match the Moria Uruks description (Moria), and Bolg's Guard (Dwellers).

Bombadil should be in Wanderers. Though should have a special rule like the old SBG one that he cannot be userd on battles outside of the Old Forrest regardless.

Pathwalkers were a scrapped idea for a Warrior tipe, like an elite Ranger, but were dropped beforte they went into production, Stormcallers are basic magicians.

Buhrdur needs to be in late 3rd Age. Trolls do have long lifespans though, so he could be earlier as well.


Thanks for the reply. Let me give you my further thoughts:

I really think that the Black Guard is a special named unit that should only be available in Barad-Dur. I think that its rareness means that it is not available in many places. Therefore, for my lists, I am going to leave it, but I invite people to change it to suit what they think is correct.

I really think the Moria list represenst the formal settlements of the goblins, which is quite different that the wilds. I plan to keep the list as it is and add wo more misty mountain dwellings: Mounts Gundabad and Gram. Mount Gram was home of the Orc raider Golfimbul, who attacked the Shire, while Gundabad was home of Bolg, who initiated the Battle of Five Armies. Of course, no stats for these, but it would be nice to see some eventaually. Again, feel free to chan ge it if you do not agree.

I agree on bombadil

Buhrdur, according to the books that I have, was killed after the defeat of the Witch King's forces at the Battle of the Hills of Evidim in Third Age 1975, so I will also leave that to the decision of the players to increase his availability into the late Third Age.

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What books do you have that mention Buhrdur?

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That puzzles me as well - I thought he was a GW make-up?

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Maybe he was mentioned, but he was definitely a GW made up one, especially seeing as he supposedly killed Arathorn.

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I think Burdur is a made up personality, but not by GW, but by Electronic Arts.

Burdur is a character in the "Rise of the Witch King" computer game from Electonic Arts, made several years ago. The booklet that came with the collector's edition talks about him, and the game has him in it. The synopsis of the game is the rise of Angmar and its attack on Arnor.

GW added the stuff about him, and giving him a history as the assassin of Arathorn, thus the revenge of Aragorn scenario in the Arnor book.

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I think Burdur is a made up personality, but not by GW, but by Electronic Arts.

Burdur is a character in the "Rise of the Witch King" computer game from Electonic Arts, made several years ago. The booklet that came with the collector's edition talks about him, and the game has him in it. The synopsis of the game is the rise of Angmar and its attack on Arnor.

GW added the stuff about him, and giving him a history as the assassin of Arathorn, thus the revenge of Aragorn scenario in the Arnor book.

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No he is not, EA games made up Rogash who joined the Witch-king. Burdhdur is entirely different non-canon Troll, and he killed Arathorn and was killed by Aragorn:

Quote from TBFME2-ROTWK:

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Quotes from Ruin of Arnor:

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...when the sons of Elrond Halfelven discover a shadow has fallen over the northern villages, the bring word to Arathorn, Chieftain of the Dunedain. In recent weeks the Orc brigands in the high hills of Rhudaur have grouped together into a formidable warband, a brutish horde directed by a scatrred Troll...


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... alas for all their preperation, the Rangers are unaware of just what awates them... the jaws of a trap are abou to close...


Next scenario: Aragorn's Revenge:

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I guess I had the two mixed up, but I am thinking that it is the same troll.

From what I have read, Arathorn was killed by Orcs, not a troll, some two years after his son's birth. He was shot in the eye and then stabbed multiple times.

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I guess I had the two mixed up, but I am thinking that it is the same troll.

From what I have read, Arathorn was killed by Orcs, not a troll, some two years after his son's birth. He was shot in the eye and then stabbed multiple times.

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Rogash was killed a long tome before Buhrdur rose to power. Maybe they are father and son?

In the books most certainly. Also, the scenario fluff wording suggests that Burdhur did not slay Arathorn himsefl, but was in command a 'pack' of warriors consisting of Orcs, Wargs and other Trolls. And it is many many years in between those scenarios, though not as much time as between some of the others. The scenarios cover great time periods.

As both Rogash and Buhrdur are similar, and not-Tolkkein, it would be fair to be able to use Burdur to represent Rogash as well as himself, thus allowing the modle to be use din mid and late 3rd Age.

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As both Rogash and Buhrdur are similar, and not-Tolkkein, it would be fair to be able to use Burdur to represent Rogash as well as himself, thus allowing the modle to be use din mid and late 3rd Age.


That sounds reasonable. So the Burdur model and stats would represents Rogash, during Angmar's war with Arnor, and Burdhur after.

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